The bike was originally 600 Ultegra, so would be a nifty trick to upgrade to an Ultegra drivetrain over the long haul. We’ll break down a number of detailed differences next. Similarly, electronic shifting (Di2) first appears in 2009 (7970), then two years later in Ultegra (6770, but with 10 speed only), and still has yet to appear in the 105 (presumably with the 5870 or 5970). In the case of LJ’s specific example, it’s pretty easy to decide: just ride both and then choose the one she likes more, since she is comparing two complete bikes with different designs. As far as I know 11s road and mtn are not interchangeable. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. There was no improvement in performance but the fun factor increased. 6800 series Ultegra are of a different design to 105, and are said to be noticeably more powerful. Thanks for the article, it came at the right time for me as I am looking for a new bike and still ponder between 105 and Ultegra…. (okay, I couldn’t be bothered to Google what it stands for). Then you start looking into gears a bit more. Crankset / chainset – the bit the pedals attach to – chain rings, cranks – that sort of thing; Derailleurs – the bits that move the chain between the different chainrings (at the front) and the various cogs of the cassette (at the back); Shifters – attached to the handlebars – the bit you manipulate with your hands; Cassette – the bit in the middle of your back wheel – lots of teeth; The Giant Defy Advanced 2020 model costs £1,949 ($2,514) with Shimano 105 and £2,199 ($2,837) with Ultegra (£250 difference for the hard of mathing); Canyon’s Endurace CF SL Disc 7.0 with Shimano 105 is £2,099 ($2,708) and the Ultegra-equipped Endurace CF SL Disc 8.0 is £2,699 ($3,482). Yo! If that’s you, then you’ll be more interested in the price point of the full bike, which I’ve discussed above. Pay a couple of hundred quid more and you’d be into Ultegra territory. If you feel a difference, it is a placebo effect. Just my 2c. There are a lot of new bikes out there with 30 and 32 tooth largest cogs. Thanks Nick! There’s really nothing in it. For what it’s worth, if you’re looking for a noticeable improvement in shifting quality, a full overhaul at your current groupset (be that 105 or whatever) will give you the best bang for your buck. This has the potential to maximise comfort and, most importantly, performance far more than by choosing one iteration or another of Shimano’s group sets. Posted 7 years ago Anyway, to aid comprehension, here’s a little table I knocked up to show the range numbers of the current and prior generations of top end Shimano groupsets: The dates show the ‘model year’ for when each new generation was launched. The difference is approximately 200g (i.e. I doubt I can tell the difference as I’ve only been riding recreationally (75-100 miles weekly) for 2 years. ultegra-change a couple of materials to save a haircut in weight, tiagra-put 10 teeth on the ratchet wheel instead of 11. i’m considering a Cannondale Slate. They’re available from ‘the internet’ in some cases for less than half the recommended price. With these facts, you can better make the decision as to if the ~$300 more for the Ultegra group is worth it. The newest all have stainless plates which should last much longer, but again look different on each model, a totally cosmetic aspect that pisses me off, and so far I have NOT found these plates to be available separately; cleats being plastic should wear first, but another quibble with the designers and the young customers who never experienced old school parts that could actually be serviced and rebuilt. If the upgraded bike is 11s and the online one 10s there is a slight value to the LBS bike. The alignment is a quick adjustment. Want to know whether you should upgrade from 105 to Ultegra but can’t be bothered with all these pesky words? The spring tension adjust on the other hand yields an advantage with internally routed frames where rear brake “drag” is noticeable. For both, you will need to add a freehub to ensure that … Hope this helps and is only my opinion. If you think 70g weight difference in shifters the pair (5800-6800) is going to make you faster than me good. As things wear you can upgrade to Ultegra if you want, or you can experiment with changes. As we spend more time on the bike and rack up the miles, it makes sense to upgrade assuming your bike fit is dialed in. Then another 10 years pass by and it’s time again, the right shifter wasn’t shifting that smooth anymore. Purists might point to a little more finesse in the Ultegra front and rear derailleur, but there’s not much in it. If one is more comfortable than the other go with that size. La nouvelle série ULTEGRA R8000 a été éprouvée sur le circuit professionnel. That’s the thing – the price is almost the same but the 2015 has Ultegra and the 2017 has 105. Monty is an enthusiastic road cyclist with only moderate talent. Assuming you’re working across compatible families, this is certainly possible. I am not certain if I should spend the money now for the upgraded bike. Anyways parts are readily available now for the 10s option. If you are just getting started, it will not make a difference. Thank you for any advise I greatly appreciate it. These are links to online stores such as Amazon, Wiggle and Chain Reaction. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Have you ever dropped the bike and possibly bent the derailleur or hanger? like a silly hump for your thumbs to get annoyed by. The chain ring bulges slightly acting as a ramp for Ultegra’s asymmetrical chain to climb up onto the big ring. Also, according to Shimano’s website Ultegra’s wider crankset design permits frame manufacturers to build wider bottom brackets—the part between the pedals inside the frame—and thu… The earlier SPD-SL (three-bolt style) pedals had flat plastic plates that can be replaced for like .99, but of course Ultegra were slightly different shape from the Dura-ace, so you needed to clip a corner off first-trivial. Shimano 105 ou ultegra - forum cyclisme velo101. My soft tail Ti mtb is going on 17 years, and the flexing chainstays move hundreds of thousands of times with no apparent change. When I knackered the front derailleur, I replaced it with the equivalent Ultegra version (10-speed 6700). I am very happy to be corrected, but from my understanding of Shimano, and what I have seen posted here, this year’s Ultegra are next year’s 105 – so the 2017 105 should equal (or exceed?) Ultegra components are also stiffer, meaning that the bike doesn’t “flex” under the load of hard pedaling, wasting energy. Also braking performance and feel, which of course is really important over the long haul. If you have to go 105 for the cost, you won’t be disappointed, but it is definitely worth it to think about upgrading the rear derailleur and possibly the levers. Which I am part of neither! They both mix value and quality in a package that is highly respected by most cyclists. Your logic is impeccable and it is exactly what manufacturers want you to think; whether it be a bike, a car or a computer. Tiagra sits above that, followed by 105. in addition to that, the Brake/Shift hoods on the 105 have a wierd ergonomic feel to them. If it is over 1% change the chain and cassette. The different combos of what might comprise your chosen groupset (e.g disc brakes versus rim) makes trying to come up with a useful summary very difficult. $990.73 - $1,311.11. And it lets one run a larger range cassette. Most full groupsets are bought in conjunction with a new bike. I certainly saved enough to replace the brakes if I feel they are really inferior on the 105 compared to what I am used to. Shimano Ultegra : la valeur sûre de la marque japonaise SHIMANO. The difference between BIKE model years is in the frame colors, sometimes the changes in a couple parts, and every so often a major frame redesign (in the specific example the Trek Silque 2017 model has Trek’s “IsoSpeed” decoupler applied to the headtube). Suite à la première partie de notre dossier sur les groupes route et triathlon, voici les détails des poids et prix publics conseillés pour les pièces ou groupes complets de ce millésime 2019/2020. Both Ultegra 6800 and Shimano 105 R5800 could give 11 speeds and you may get up to five different options in the cassette range. The 105 updates are great. I just did this on my Domane – new cables, cassette, chain, brake pads and chain rings – recorded in this series of YouTube videos – and the improvement has been amazing. So now is the time to consider whether upgrading from Shimano 105, a perfectly functional bike groupset, to Shimano Ultegra, a perfectly functional bike groupset, will take you from dog-dog to Froome-dog. With brakes, we notice some nice improvements with the Ultegra: a robust redesigned barrel adjuster; a spring tension adjustment absent on a 105 caliper; and a better brake pad compound. That said, if I ever feel that getting electronic gear shifting is an absolute must – perhaps you count yourself in this category –  then clearly Ultegra is the only choice (assuming I/you don’t have Dura-oodles of cash for the top of the range alternative). Canyon, Cannondale and Specialized upgrade other components as you move up the range (wheels, for instance). talk of slightly crisper shifting, smoother shifting, faster, easier shifting or difference in durability has me laughing. That is how I started. Might upgrade though to S105 11s now if the price delta is acceptable. All Rights Reserved. When it comes to purchasing a gift for our babies, nothing says I love you like a new groupo. Get enjoyable and helpful cyclo-info straight to your inbox. Shimano’s new 105 (5700) and new Ultegra (6700) are both great groups for road and triathlon use. My advice would be to focus on the frame and get as much 105 on there or better at the start, though I believe RS500 cranks are comparable to 105. It’s most helpful in working out which generation of a given groupset you have/you’re buying. Seems the cost for the Ultegra set is within 20% of getting 105s. There does not seem to be a great deal of difference between the two. Do you ride with Ultegra? I live and ride in the Sierra foothills and San Francisco Bay area, so I can use all the help gearing will give me. I went with carbon wheels, carbon frame, 105 gearset. Elle est la déclinaison abordable du groupe DURA-ACE. Its time to cut the crap. If both bikes are new I would take the information to your LBS and see if they would reduce their price 2-300 or if that embarrasses you just get the online one. Today I found a 2017 Trek Silque 5 (I am female) for $2000 but love the color and the frame seems more comfortable. The better you are and the more you ride the more you would appreciate the upgraded bike. Speaking to a few data points in the ‘endurance bike’ category (all of which are carbon frames): (For the USD prices, I just converted the UK prices at $1.29:£1 to give an indication. I will note that my current bike is Ultegra, I got it 2 years back. Moving up to the controls, the new Shimano 105 R7000 hoods and levers get the same ergonomic do-over that Ultegra R8000 received. Whether that’s important, one must judge for oneself. Most of the change allows closer gearing in the middle of the cassette. I found it helped me because my hands are arthritic and it really relieved the pain going to larger cogs. The derailleur started as a Ultegra di2 (small cage) which is modified with a Deore long cage. Chains and cassettes wear out a lot faster than derailleurs. And the price. Right now other than 200g and some reviewer claims that the rim brakes are better, the only real difference is the available of electronic shifting with the Ultegra 6870 which can be ignored in the case of this commenter. Regardless of where you are from (Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, Florida, Pennsylvania, Texas, Vermont, Australia, Macau...) a Fit Werx' bike fit is guaranteed to be worth the trip. You should check that the rear wheel can be used with both 10s and 11s – this will only come into play if you decide to change later from 10s to 11s. The perception of ‘better’ is is always what fuels sales of higher end products. Now, back to your originally scheduled article…. As we begin to understand what we like and what we don’t like, after that 10,000 shift, we begin to appreciate ulegra and it’s smoothness. The sprocket widths are the same as on a 10-speed system but they are a little closer. I sold the old parts. Cela comprend, pour un groupe de transmission complet : les dérailleurs avant et arrière, les étriers de frein avant et arrière, le pédalier, la cassette, les leviers de freins, le boîtier de pédalier et la chaîne. But would change to a 52-36 chainset on my next build. As far as everything else, the difference between the 6800 and 5800 is negligible except for the rear derailleur and shifter. Shimano didn’t come out with a ‘105 Di2 5870’. My real question is this – are the 2015 Ultegra parts close to the 2017 105 parts? me back, ive got sneaking suspicion the the only difference in the tiagra 4700 mechanism is 10 teeth on the ratchet instead of 11. as far as my eyes can reach looking in a shop display I cant see any difference in the exposed parts of the mechanism. Higher quality springs and pivots allow for solid, instant engagement in shifting. I have a solution for you: I madez a YouTube on the subject. That said, my bike is setup for 126mm dropouts and is a 7 gear rear with downtube shifters. In my experience, the upgrade from 105 to ultegra was significant. Shimano 105 R7000 groupset — everything you need to know. Make sure the upgraded bike has the full Ultegra group – crankset, bottom bracket, chain, brakes, shifters, cassette. Le groupe Shimano 105 se retrouve souvent sur les vélos de route de classe moyenne. (For completeness, Tiagra is next, followed by Sora and Claris. My blog contains Affiliate Links. The cassette started as a Deore XT 11-36. As you might have picked up, my trusty Trek is adorned with 105 (5700). Shimano Ultegra R8020 Hydraulic Groupset. Cosmetically, Ultegra boasts a carbon shift/brake blade while the 105 sports an aluminum blade. The bike I am looking at is a Pinarello Razha K from 2013 (still new as per the store manager) with 105 5700/Most. With chains and cassettes, the differences are slight but still affect performance. Right now I ride about 20-30 miles 2-3 days a week. Ah, the million dollar £500 (or $700) question. 10s 105 or Ultegra can be used with XT deore cassettes (sometimes derailleur needs to be changed) and this can allow expanded gear ratios for climbing. it would cost shimano more to have different production lines than to just put the same parts in several levers it would cost more to make the cheaper levers cheaper. There is zero difference in any of the moving parts in shape or function. The 5700 105, 6700 ultegra shifter design was horribly uncomfortable and the reason I changed. The 105’s tend to be less consistent when shifting. My summer bike is all Ultegra, and my winter bike has 105 shifters, mechs and an RS500 crankset. Having ridden both 105 and Ultegra (currently riding Ultegra) I can say, that from my experience that Ultegra: – gears runs more smoothly when changing gears (especially on hills) compared to 105 – feels stiffer than 105 – brakes better than 105. If you ride significant miles you eventually start replacing components as maintenance items. Thank you! 105 weighs 200g more, all else being equal), which in the grand scheme of anything other than pro cycling is kind of irrelevant. The rear is a different story. (Harry Enfield I’m considerably richer than you). Rather than you changing gear physically by pulling on (or releasing) a cable, electronic shifting uses little motors attached to the front and rear derailleurs in order to make the changes. There is your performance increase right there! And I am not a purist. I have been looking at carbon fiber, Trek, Specialized and Cannondale…there’s so MANY options. $565.09 - $2,658.06. This post might contain affiliate links for which we may make a small commission at no extra cost to you should you make a purchase. But, by then it was 11 speed all around and the rear fork distance has move out a couple of millimeters. A groupset is a component manufacturer’s collection of mechanical parts, usually covering the derailleurs, shifters, brakes, chainset, bottom bracket, cassette and chain. Is that the case? These are also the middle names of my daughters.). The origin story of the term Di2 is shrouded in mystery…. At the time, this was probably at the top end of what you would pay for a carbon frame with 105. It might not look traditional hard core but it screams common sense. If you click on an Affiliate Link and then buy something, I get a small commission. They take very little effort to stop, yet they don’t catch bad enough to throw you over the bars. I am a beginner/intermediate riding a Specialized Elite 2014 Hybrid. Ride faster and further, and have more fun on your bike. I assume both bikes are the same size and you are sure the size is correct for you; this is even more important than group. Ce nouveau groupe va ravir les utilisateurs qui recherchent du matériel faible avec une technologie traditionnelle ou novatrice comme le disque. But on a limited budget I would prioritize: – Frame (really the most important decision) – Wheels – Saddle – Groupset (and I could easily live with 105 5800). If your chain is at or very close to 0.75% stretched change it. There comes a time in every road cyclist’s life when it becomes clear* that the quickest way to progress to professional standards of performance is to splash more cash on a random bike component. I think what I’m about to write is something of a cyclo-cliché, but that has never stopped me before, so… 105 is the first of Shimano’s “serious” or “proper” groupsets. the current ones), again with Di2 options. Learn how your comment data is processed. (And please remember to hit ‘Like’ on the video – it really helps me out with the YouTube algorithm – many fanks). When you are due for chain and cassette replacement switch to ultegra. Also have them check the chain length. Tiagra and below, despite being perfectly adequate for your first few sportives (probably all your sportives) and for your daily commute, should be eschewed in favour of 105 or Ultegra as soon as your functional threshold power hits 150W. What are the tricks and tips for inflating a disc wheel? I write entertaining articles about road cycling: gear reviews, training advice. To take a left-field view on all this; people are talking of buying a different sized bike, to get Ultegra, but the most important this is how the bike fits you. I can tell the components aren’t as “shiny” but almost felt more at home with the 105. En tant qu'élément pour les vélos de route, un fonctionnement sans contraintes est l'une des propriétés les plus importantes pour allier freinage, changement de vitesse et pilotage confortable pendant toute la journée. If the online bike seller accepts returns if their description is incorrect and pays return shipping then that is a value in their favor. And like a cyclist in a pan of gradually heating water, you don’t really notice each incremental improvement. These are just some points to consider. And the wheel doesn’t work with 11s. If they both seem about the same goes with the smaller size. You talked about wheels and I strongly agree that lighter wheels make a huge performance and fun improvement. I’ll probably stick with 105 on the basis that the 11-speed R7000 version offers a significant upgrade versus the 10-speed 5700 that is on my current Domane. I think the best non-wear upgrade is wheels. As road bike component, the stress-free operation is one of the most important feature to lead all day riding comfort with braking and shifting. Shoot me down if you like, but I’m erring towards the 105 in terms of looks. The bike at $1750.00 will have tax added to that price. If you like to show off with your Ultegra with its shinier finish fine. Before changing anything I would look for the real problem. As you discuss only 11 speed groupsets, my question is about upgrading from 105 10s to 105 11s or even Ultegra 11s? there is no difference that would give rise to a different shifting experience in reality (I studied mechanical engineering degree level at university, I have reasonably trained opinion I think). And so the world turns. What model Ultegra can I upgrade to as parts begin to fail? Now we find ourselves with R7000 (the current 105) as Shimano’s most recent update (of this higher-end trifecta), and people talking about Dura-Ace being due the next upgrade. Differences in derailleurs are largely accounted for by springs and pivots. Well, Shimano’s lowest cost range is called Claris. Of the the articles on the web, this one answered my question best about whether or not I’d made a mistake by purchasing a new Cannondale Synapse with 105 after 24 years of riding two bikes that had, in succession, a 1993 model bike with Shimano 600 (which I believe became Ultegra the next year) and just plain Ultra on my 2004 model bike. The extra spread is useful as I have an 11-32 rear cassette with a compact 50-34 chainset Devon hills are not very forgiving. The sole differences I can see are a different plastic material in the bodies (the shape is identical) and composite plastic levers instead of aluminium alloy. replacement parts, a cassette with different gear ratios), that they’re compatible with the gear bits (technical term) that you’ve already got. My blog contains Affiliate Links. Ultegra’s barrel adjuster might simply be nicer from the perspective of a mechanic. Go to your bike shop and have them check the chain and the derailleur alignment. Architecture 4 branches pour le pédalier Shimano 105 5800. I can’t help thinking the rest of the poopset is along similar lines. For Tri bikes with aerobar extensions, both groups will use 10-speed Dura Ace bar end shifters and an aftermarket TT brake lever. All from a MAMIL perspective. groupsets. Very helpful article as I am looking to upgrade from Sora. Begin! The chain became an Ultegra and then the chain and cassette did. Can you include more on how these two group sets perform? What this means is that in the example above the 2017 105 “parts” is the SAME “parts” as 2014 5800 ones, while the 2015 Ultegra is the SAME parts as 2013 6800. The 105 has a bit more ‘heft’. Seriously, how practical is that? By way of example, the Cannondale Synapse (non-carbon) 105 costs £1,300. the current ones), again with Di2 options. I ride about 80-150 miles a week June – October and hope to do some century rides. I have a Scott Speedster FL20 with 105 for 2 years and already run through 2 chains and continue to have chain slipping when running the front smaller gear and on the 12, 13, 14 on the rear cassette. Les nouvelles Ultegra reprennent la conception des Dura-Ace, avec un axe en acier et un corps en composite, agrémentés d’une surface d’appui plus large que la version précédente ou que les pédales Shimano d’entrée et de milieu de gamme, afin d’optimiser la stabilité et l’efficacité de pédalage. If the upgraded bike has upgraded wheels that is a big value. Other features (frame, wheelset) can move the price point of the whole range, independent of groupset. And then the next generation of Dura-Ace and Ultegra came out (i.e. Shes also comparing two different model bicycles (an endurance carbon bike from Cannondale with a women’s specific endurance carbon bike from Trek). the 2015 Cannondale) is today’s 105 (the 2017 Trek). And yes, Dura-Ace Di2 is R9150 (it doesn’t take an Enigma machine to work out the pattern – although the fact that the prior generation used ’70’ to denote Di2 means perhaps you do need some codebreaking nouse). Buy the bike that is most comfortable for you. Hello! Shimano 105 contre Ultegra (trop ancien pour répondre) Eric LAMBERT 2004-08-23 06:42:31 UTC. If you click on an Affiliate Link and then buy something, I get a small commission. Size is most important of the factors you mentioned. An Ultegra chain has a better, nickel-like finish and a stronger riveting process than allows for a laterally stiffer chain. Does the weight make a difference? I didn’t love it, but did like the price and the components. http://road.cc/content/buyers-guide/201326-head-head-shimano-105-v-shimano-ultegra. The Zipps are deep dish carbon. Which I suppose makes sense since one is two years old (but is new). I’ll know in 10 or 20 years! Chez SRAM, cela correspond au Rival) Tiagra (l’équivalent de l’Apex chez SRAM) La différence de prix entre 105 et Ultegra est de l'ordre de presque 1 euro par gramme entre les 2 mêmes groupes 10V mécanique. Consider Ultegra as parts wear out, bearing in mind there is little reason to change brakes and shifters due to wear so it’s worth ensuring they are what you want at the start.